Hello, my name is Darren Hack Green. Uh This is Film 20 in relation to tr procedure on the dispute resolution sqe um course. So um first I'm gonna look at uh I'm going straight into a document called an N 170 part of the SQ A assessment criteria requires you to know about the purpose um of what's called a listing questionnaire or a pretrial checklist. In essence, you'll hear that terminology interchangeably. So it's the same thing, listing questionnaire or pretrial pretrial checklist. They're both the same documents. So I'm just gonna share my screen and show you what the document looks like. Um As I said before, you don't need to, I just know the specific form you don't need to know. It's an N 170 for example, for the SQE assessment criteria, um you don't need to and won't be required to draft or complete uh a document in the exam. However, what you may be required to do is understand the content of the M 170 the contents of the pretrial checklist. Um And I think it's helpful for your revision purposes just to actually have a look at that document and what you need to complete because it will help actually remind you maybe uh for revision purposes of a specific question. So for argument's sake, a question I may ask you about. So the content about uh availability of, um, witnesses or the pa uh parties in relation to any future trial date and that information will be there within the pre chat list. Well, let's just have a look at the, um, the form itself, the usual bits and pieces which are obvious, you know, the, the name of the court, et cetera, et cetera dates fixed for a trial or a trial period there. Generally, um, you would probably have a trial period as supposed to a trial. If you're doing a pretrial checklist, your trial period, we'll look at it in a moment. But what happens uh, as a course of directions is the court will list the matter for a period of time. Normally, depending on the type of case of multi track case, maybe about a three month period. The idea being that trial will take place within that three month period and therefore the parties submit their dates to avoid within that period. So the court isn't listed on date when a movie counts or has another case or your client has a hospital appointment or a holiday pre booked. You can put the details here. So the usual who you are as a party, um, confirmation of compliance with directions is important. We do is you confirm you've complied with the directions uh, already given, require action by you. Um If you, uh, haven't, you can, uh, confirm to the court when you're gonna do those buying the date there. Bottom. Uh, about this is, it's about you and your comparative directions. If your opponent hasn't complied, that's not what this box is for. So it's rather your declarations in relation to your compliance. Generally, though pretrial checklist stage, a lot of the majority of the directions should have been complied with, they gone by. It may be, this is necessary because you've agreed an extension of the maximum 28 days with your opponent for something. And therefore that uh time limit hasn't passed before the pretrial check list is due. Um So you can put the details in there. The need to say that you've got additional directions which are necessary for the trial takes place because um yes. And then of course you have to attach an application and a draft order. You can't just simply say yes, I'll have extra time for X and Y. Uh an application would be required and whether you agree those additional directions with your opponents in relation to witnesses. This how many witnesses uh including yourself, yourself being the claimant. This is completely or the defendant depending on who you represent, uh will be given evidence on your behalf if the trial date is not fixed or any days in the trial period you or your witnesses would wish to avoid if possible. And then you get the opportunity of to depend on the number of witnesses. You've got the dates to be avoided. And of course, the reasoning for that in your pre booked holiday, um hospital appointments, things like that. Do any of your witnesses require any special facilities or arrangements at court such as those with a disability? It's important you need to check with all of your witnesses in relation to that. Um It may be that you've got witnesses who are hard of hearing, mainly some, some, some sort of sexual provisions in relation to that. It may be uh witnesses who require disabled access to a courtroom, some courtrooms, um if they're in older buildings may not have that uh readily available or certainly some of the courtrooms may not, some courtrooms would be more um disabled, have access for disabled people. And then what the court would look to do then if they have some courts which have disabled access, ensure that your case is listed within uh that specific court, you will be uh providing an interpreter for any of your witnesses. Again, that looks at language um issues. Uh We've looked at uh drafting witness statements for witnesses whose first language is in English in a, in an earlier video, earlier film. Um That's whether you need an interpreter there for uh your witnesses, which if you have a witness whose statement has been drafted in a language other than English. The answer is going to be yes, you do need an interpreter in the expert evidence stage. Um, you state down the name of the expert, the field of expertise for the experts, psychiatry, orthopedic surgery, whatever it may be, whether they're a joint expert, and we've looked at the nature of joint experts in the expert evidence film and whether the report is agreed and whether there's been permission given for oral evidence at trial. Cos of course, as you know, um for an expert to go to trial and give oral evidence permission needs to be granted by the court. Has there been a discussion between the experts? Discussion means actually the preparation for the joint statements and then again, have the experts signed a joint statement if your expert is giving oral evidence and the trial is not yet fixed. Again, if you have got permission for oral expert evidence, you've got the opportunity there of listing the expert states to avoid. So earlier, have the uh opportunity of listing the witnesses uh dates to avoid that include your, your own client. And here you have the opportunity of listing your expert states to avoid the trial and again, further dates to avoid coming um legal representation. So who's representing you the case? Of course, if you're soliciting in person, it's you otherwise solicitor or council. And again, uh for the loo representative um dates to avoid there as well. Um So, so that Cork can actually list in a day that all the parties are available in relation to the trial itself. Has the estimate of the time uh changed for the, the trial. I has the, the bottle of happy new directions. The trial period have been listed. So you'll have that trial window as I explained earlier and it'll be listed for maybe the, the idea is a three day period within that trial window. It maybe things have developed since then and maybe now what time is required. But alternatively, it may be the fact that when that listing was done, there was a dispute on liability and quantum and now liability has been um sorted out and agreed by way of some form of AD R. Um And therefore that's a quantum matter only which reduces the at the time required for trial. That's where you state that there. And again, it different from the original estimate. Um what's uh have you agreed with your opponent the, the time need? Um There's a question here about whether your timetable for trial is attached has been agreed with the other party. And so one of the requirements to attach a pretrial chat list is what's called a trial timetable. And that's where you set out in draft, how you foresee the trial proceeding. So if there's a three day trial, you'll have a document which outlines each of the specific days to day one dealing with maybe opening um statements of his speeches. Um moving on, maybe to additional evidence from the claimants and cross examination and then move to day two, think about the expert evidence, et cetera, et cetera. Um And then the idea is trying to agree that with your opponent prior to attaching it to the pretrial checklist and filing that in court in relation to fast track and intermediate track cases. You've got the opportunity of a short notice period for a trial. So would you be prepared to accept shorter notice of the date fixed for trial? The idea there is that for cases which can be dealt with in a shorter period, so fast track within a day, intermediate track within three days. Um And maybe the court has several cases, simply settle and drop out. So have some availability at uh last minute sort of short notice, the opportunity there. So you'll, you'll take that uh opportunity under short notice. You have to discuss that with your client. Obviously, if they can simply drop everything and go to a trial, it may be that it works your advantage. If you have a client, maybe who is retired. Um and therefore, and has no immediate plans for holidays, et cetera, et cetera, then, uh there's no reason why they couldn't take advantage of this and go to trial sooner than uh than planned and again, back onto vulnerability every stage. Uh We're looking at vulnerability, we saw this on the claim form, we saw it at directions questionnaire, you have to consider it at every stage. But what happens is the court will actually force you to consider it at key stages in the claim. And again, this will force you to think about vulnerability when looking at the evidence that will be given at trial by a witness. And then the opportunity to explain there. Um What could be done to help support uh a witness who is vulnerable. It could be the fact that greater time is given uh for the witness to give evidence. Um some understanding over the fact that the questions asked of that witness because of maybe some learning difficulties need to be simplified or repeated and the explanation there and again, document checklist, what you attach to that questionnaire. So an application and a fee for additional directions, if that's required the proposed timetable for trial that we've suggested uh the draft order that I called accompanies the, the application itself and the usual bits about it, signature and the, the date and your firm, et cetera, et cetera in the bottom of that document there. And it's worthwhile being aware of that M 170 having a look at that form. Um It could easily form a question in uh the sqe in relation to the contents of um that M 170 not in relation to, you know, completing gaps or anything like that, mainly in relation to being aware of the preparation that you need to undertake. So as you've seen, you need to check elements of vulnerability and also certainly base to avoid for all the parties um prior to actually completing that document, cos there's the SQ assessment criteria, we talked about the breach R checklist of the listing, listing questionnaire and the time scales there. Um which I, I've, I've been through the idea, of course, with the BR checklist is, it's a readiness for trial form. That's the whole purpose of it. It's very similar to directions questionnaire, uh and its makeup, be aware of hearing fees. So there's a completely draconian um, rule in relation to hearing fees that if you don't pay your hearing fee on time, your case is automatically struck out. Um, if you fall foul of this, as you know, uh, we do have the opportunity for a relief from sanctions, application. The sanctions taken effect, the case has been struck out. Um, you make the application for relief asking it to be reinstated. In essence, um, generally I've found something in practice that is a difficult exercise uh, to undertake when your case has been struck out for not paying the hearing fee. You'll find that the courts and judiciary have a little sympathy in relation to that step. Although I do feel that the idea that you can miss a date for the service of a witness statement and get away with it, in essence, with a relief and sanctions application. But you miss off paying a hearing fee and your case is dead in the water, I think is a little draconian. Um, the hearing fees depend on the nature of the case as a sliding scale for small claims track matters, fast track cases. It's 545 pounds and intermediates and multi track case is 1175 pounds. So the, the internet, it's a multi track fees almost double that. Um, just watch that and the fees are, uh, liable to change over time. Uh, the UEX 50 which is fees won't confirm the, the fees uh for the court. Um, but just be aware, it's unlikely you're going to get a question in relation to the size of the fee cos that changes regularly, but you just need to understand the need to pay that fee. Um, and that it differs depending on the nature of the allocation of the case. And in some cases, certainly the larger value cases we have pretrial reviews. These are sort of a bit like a, again a readiness for trial hearing. As opposed to just the pretrial checklist you complete. Um, legal representatives attend, the judge will tend to look at the elements of the case in preparation for the trial. It could be elements that the judge will look at is, you know, does it really need four days? Can this be reduced down? For example, by allowing the judge at a day's reading time. Uh or alternatively, the judge will say, well, what have you done in relation to liability? What steps are being undertaken in relation to alternative dispute resolutions? Looking at those sorts of uh issues, uh A bundle is prepared for that as if it were effectively the preparation for the trial itself. The judge has got all the evi evidence to hand. You can look at various different uh matters as well, quite useful as well with the pretrial review because arguably you could utilize that hearing to make an application potentially for oral expert evidence that's heard at the uh the pretrial review as well. We also have pres settlement hearings, they're different from pretrial reviews. So pres settlement hearing um is a way of the court really um forcing AD R upon the parties. So I've said earlier in the, the, the film for ad R that the court um can never make you undertake uh ad R, they can encourage precepts of a meeting. It is similar to that, but it's more of a uh an arm behind the back form of encouragement. So the idea is these pres settlement hearings are listed again like a pretty short review. You get your bundles um sorted and sent um the parties have to go. So that would be the claim and say the individual claiming um the, the actual bringing the action and the defendant, the defendant, it has to be the defendant who is capable of making decisions in relation to payments. So it may be the insurer and for the defendant who needs to go the one who's able to give them. Yes, I, I can agree settlement at 500,000 pounds, whatever it may be. Um, the judge will discuss, um, with the parties whether ad I has been attempted and will consider narrowing down the issues in the case and on the day itself, um the judge actually may insist that the parties take the opportunity to um discuss the matter. So I've seen pres settlement hearings where the judge has inquired about uh liability. Has there been discussions between the parties? Uh The answer is no, the judge has said go off off, you go, then, um, you've got an hour come back uh in an hour and then we'll, we'll talk further as to how you've got on in relation to those discussions. So, in essence, forcing the parties to, to knock their heads together in relation to the, the potential for settlements. The idea behind these preset hearings is that they take judicial time. They may save uh the cost of a lengthy trial. Uh And of course, a lot of court time taken over those days of trial at a later stage said earlier in relation to trial windows. So you'll get this trial window set down by the court which is a period of time, uh within which the trial is expected to take place, uh a longer period for cases which take a longer time. So intermediate track and multi track cases will require uh a longer amount of time for the trial, fast track when it's a day. So you may have a shorter period for a fast track trial, maybe a three week period for a fast track trial. Normally about three months for an intermediate track or multi track um uh trial window period. The idea is that that trial window, once it's set, that's when the trial is going to take place. What do you need to do then once you get your trial window, well, of course, you need to notify all the, um, parties involved for your clients. So that's your witnesses, your clients, you need to notify your council via their chambers. You need to notify any expert witnesses in case they are required to give oral evidence and you tell them in essence, here's a trial window. Um, please note it. Uh, and have you got any dates um, that you can't make within that trial window? And also if any further dates come up in the future, uh, within that trial window, which you then can't make. You need to let me know, um, as soon as possible after that, we then get the trial date, um, being listed generally after your pretrial checklist has been sent to court. Um, we get a hearing notice, uh, that confirms the date of the trial the time, um et cetera. It may also require uh or set out what other documents are required. So maybe there's a specification for skeleton arguments three days before the trial um or anything like that. Generally, the, the trial date notice will also specify when the hearing fee uh is due to be paid as well. You need to be aware about witness summonses and whether you need them uh and when it's appropriate to send them. So the idea of a witness summons is it compels a witness to attend court? You need a summons for, for every late witness if you're going to uh summons. And that means that you can't just do one summons for, for three witnesses. It's one summons per witness. Um You can't obviously summons your clients um to, to get to trial because their obligation is to go anyway, but you can summons your, um any of the, the lay witnesses. You can also summons your, um your experts and to uh to whether they require that some experts who do a lot of any. Yes work may require uh a summons uh as well, but generally you normally don't uh summons any experts to give uh to go to, to court, to give evidence because they've been paid um for the pleasure. So they are in most of the circumstances are eager to go. Um That's why there's no requirement different for witnesses, obviously, because they're not being paid to attend the, uh, the trial, you complete a form N 20. Again, you don't need to know that specific form, but there's a witness summons form that you need to complete. Um, if the court is going to serve, uh, that upon the witnesses, then you need to file, um, 32 copies of that. So one copy will, the court will serve copy written to you. Um, and then they, they'll send the, the one on obviously to the, the witness. Um, if you are intending to serve it, which is probably the better thing, which I certainly do. Um, three copies. Uh Court keeps one returns two to you one for your file and one to serve on the, um, on the witness as a fee for the summons of 21 pounds. Um And also what's important is when you serve the summons, you either attached conduct money to that summons, uh or you offer conduct money to, uh, to witness with that summons. So the conduct money is basically you offer that travel expenses and any loss of time in relation to attending trials that could be, um, loss of earnings for the, the day that they're taking to attend, uh, the, the trial itself. Um If the court is going to be, um, serving the, the witness summons, you also need to pay the conduct money to the court. So the court can tender it with the, with the summons. That's why it gets more complex if you're gonna have the, uh, the court serve. The, uh, the summons says it's easier really for you to do it yourself. Um, so it was, you have to affect service, um, with at least seven days before the trial itself. And then, um, obviously the summons is invalid if you don't, uh, either attach conduct money or make the offer in relation to the, uh, the conduct and money is there. Um, what's important to be aware of is that if you have a police witness, uh, the police will not attend unless they, um, are sent to summons. Whereas the lay witness, they may attend the summons just basically compels them to attend. So you don't necessarily, there's no requirement that you have to summons every witness, but with the police, you have to summon them otherwise they won't go. What happens if a, uh, witness, um, fails to attend, having been served a summons. Generally, I suppose, arguments say generally not much to be perfectly frank with you. But what the rules state is that if it is a county court case, they may be liable for a fine not exceeding the pounds and pounds. And if they, uh, if it's a high court case, they may be found in contempt of court and contempt of court pan, uh, lead to committal proceedings are any of those steps ever really taken? And that, that's extreme, um, cases, uh, to be honest with you, um, you don't tend to see if a witness doesn intend, uh, turn up, um, that the, the, uh, the person who summons and kicking up a storm and insisting on fines and, and committal proceedings and things like that tend to be the way things progress. Um, of course, what you need to bear in mind is if you don't summon a witness and that witness doesn't turn up, then there's a conduct issue there for you with the code of conduct that you have an act in your client's best interest, pursuant to principle seven. because you need to force them to go. Um And of course, then if that's the case, if there is any requirement from the German that comes down to you, it's your fault in relation to that. So the cost of that German may be payable by you in relation to whether, just because a witness doesn't turn up, whether the case is adjourned. It's a matter for the, the court. Um, if you had maybe uh one independent witness and there is a liability dispute. Um And it's of a significant value. So effectively that one witness is really key to the issue of liability and success or, or not of the claim, then there may be a good reason to vacate the trial or v adjourn the trial and then list it for another date when the witness can then attend. Although you'd need really to understand why the witness isn't there if they just not turned up and then therefore, they don't intend to turn up to a future, um, trial either or maybe it's just something untoward like ill child or whatever it may be that would support your application for the AO uh, generally though what will happen is, um, as we've seen when we looked at a different film at the witness statements, if it's signed by witness, which will have been arguably if your summons in them, um, can be treated as hearsay. Of course, it goes to the weight of the, the evidence which is considered, um, but that's the, the way to still have that witness's evidence considered by the judge. Um, even if they're not there to give oral evidence. So once we get the, the trial, they, like when we've got the, the trial window, you notify the relevant parties immediately, your experts, if they're given all evidence, your barrister, uh be their chambers, your plant, the witnesses so that everyone is aware of that date. So they got it in the diary. So they don't miss it. And of course, if it turns out that a key party witness can't make that trial date, then you need to consider whether you make an application to vacate, um, that trial, you, um, I suppose arguably thinking about when that would be appropriate. I mean, if you've given that, uh, individual witness, whoever it may be the dates for the trial window and they're just forgotten to tell you when they, uh, are not available. Um, then it may be, the court has a little sympathy in relation to the, the trial date being moved because it takes a lot of court admin time to actually shift a trial date. So the court is quite reticent to vacate to trial and relist. Generally speaking, be aware that, uh, that if a party doesn't attend the trial for their claim, there are some quite um stringent um uh consequences in relation to that. So if you're the claimant and you don't tend attend, then your case may proceed in your absence and or your statement of case you claim from it because a claim struck out. Um If the defendant has a counter claim, uh and the claimant hasn't attended, then judgment may simply be entered on the counter claim. So effectively, there are, you know, quite serious consequences to your, um your client not attending uh the trial. So it's essential um to ensure that they get all this information about the trial. They, they know where they going and when they're going, et cetera, et cetera. As soon as that is listed, be aware about the need to um prepare trial bundles. Trial bundles are a bundle which is utilized for the uh the court um set out with an index in all the four elements in relation to the uh the requirements and contents of that. So again, we see this is very similar to your, your pretrial review bundle and your um your preset hearing bundle effectively, you incorporate all of the documents the court needs to consider uh in relation to the, the trial or reacts expert evidence or your statements in case any documents involved as well. Um It's prepared by the claimants. Um The only time when it isn't prepared, but the claimant is when the claimant is a litigant in person. And then of course, it's prepared by the defendant for, um, for them. You, um, you draft this trial bundle index which is then agreed with the parties to make sure that all of the documents that are core are included in that bundle. Obviously, any privilege, um, documents that prejudiced documentation is excluded um from that bundle and that privilege, um, is waived and the claimant needs to file and serve the bundle between 3 to 7 days before the trial starts a bit of an odd period. I accept that 3 to 7 days before the trial starts. But the reason for that is because, um, often when you have a case listed for trial, say a specific court sometimes due to lack of judiciary or because of the court timetabling, the court may send it to another local court within the same region. What they don't want to do. The court is have a bundle 14 days before the trial in Birmingham and then they bumped it out to don't know Warsaw county court and then the court has to send the bundle on. They don't want that if they're going to bump it, they want to bump it to Warsaw County Court. And then, um, 3 to 7 days before the trial starts, that's when you get that bundle into the, the court. At that point, we were trial etiquette. So when the judge enters and leaves, uh, then the issue will call court rise and all the parties have to stand. You remain standing until the judge has, um, seated themselves. The judge will bow to the courtroom and that must be reciprocated. Uh, if you have to leave the courtroom while the case is ongoing, you bow to the judge, um, before you do so try your best not to turn your back on the judge and also bow before you leave the courtroom as well. And, and obviously formal dress is needed. You have modes of address. District judges are referred to as judge circuit judges as your honor and high court judges or justice of the Supreme Court as my, uh, Lord, uh, or Lady the day of the trial itself. Normally the court sits between 10 and 10 in the morning, 4 p.m. Usual court format is the opening statements from normally, uh, claimants and then followed by, um, the defendant dealing with any preliminary issues. Then you then move on to, um, statements or witnesses of fact before moving on to expert evidence and then it come in through with closing submissions from the defendant and then finally, the claimant. So the claim will start and the claimant will end. In essence, the court can play with that order. So it may be on a complicated liability case that they do with all the witnesses of fact first and then move on to elements of expert evidence. It could be the fact that you have expert evidence on um liability. So you deal with the witnesses of fact, extra evidence on liability and then move on to extra evidence on the quantum side of things, potentially be aware of terminology of examination in chief cross examination and re examination. So examination in chief is when you're question your your own witness initially um with a a civil case, um it can be fairly uh easy going in a sense that literally the witness will be shown their witness statement and ask is this your evidence and this is your signature and this is the date. Um Yes, that stands as their evidence and then that's it the examination in chief and could be done that would tend to be cases where the judge is keen to move the matter through as quickly as possible. We see that on fast track um cases where you may have a couple of witnesses, but the judge may not have time to ensure that case is dealt within one day to allow the other witnesses to simply repeat the evidence within their witness statements may be easier to accept that witness statement as their evidence. And let's move on to cross examination. So, so a lot of cases that witness that uh will take witness tape will stand as the uh evidence in chief. Um Then that, that's fine and move on. Um But what you need to be aware of is the, the rule that a witness cannot be asked, leading questions by their own advocate and to encourage them to relate the story. Um Yeah, leading questions. So you were going at 40 MPH, were you were you were driving at the speed limit where you were in a road traffic accident case? You can't do that in examination in chief. When you're given evidence in chief, leading questions aren't permitted. And that's an important distinction because if you move on to um cross examination, no bar on leading questions, just be aware of that distinction. So no leading questions for the examination in chief. But with cross examination, leading questions are um permitted purpose of cross examination. Uh Cross examination obviously is to extract the favorable evidence for your clients and to discredit the person who is giving um the evidence um cross examine them to make them. So it's less believable than the other evidence in the, in the case. Uh There is one mandatory rule in relation to cross examination and that's that the cross examining advocate must put their own party case to the witness that they are cross examining. So if your own uh witnesses, your own defendant's case is one that your the opponent was speeding. Then of course, that has to be put as part of the cross examination. Uh It's essential that cross examining advocate puts their own plan case to the witness uh as failure to challenge the opponent's evidence implies acceptance of that uh evidence. That's the one mandatory rule in relation to cross examination. We then have the potential for re examination. So that's where an advocate is given the opportunity to ask further questions of their own witness. Um Re examination is strictly limited to matters arising out of the cross examination. So something has come out of the cross examination that needs to be explored further. It's not an opportunity to repeat the case of evidence in chief which came through from the earlier stage. It seems to have come out uh following cross examination, uh you can't introduce new issues at the re examination stage. And so some ambiguity has been left as a result of the cross examination. There's an opportunity to resolve it, try and restore the witness's credibility potentially. Um But the other rule as well in relation to that is exactly the same as with the examination in chief is you can't ask leading questions if you think about it and try to remember the leading questions point. If it's your witness, no leading questions. If your opponents, witness leading questions um are allowed, you also have the possibility of a witness turning hostile. So, um that means that a witness may refuse to answer a question or tell lies. Their evidence may differ significantly from what was in their witness statements. In that instance, uh The party calling, um, the hostile witness may ask the judge to declare them as a hostile witness. The effect of that is that the advocate can now attack the witnesses credibility or cross examine them as if they're a witness for the opposition. Uh the to see any way of limiting any damage this hostile when it's being inflicted on a party's case, an important thing there. Of course, if, if an examination in chief, the witness does become hostile, having that right to declare them as a hostile witness, basically changes the ability uh of your uh examination of that witness. You can then cross examine them right there, your opponent's witness, that's important. So after the trial itself, then fast and intermediate track trials, you usually get a judgment straight after the trial. You will certainly will it in fast track cases. Um The judge may need a short break. Uh Just to, to think about that though, uh in multi track cases, you may get a judgment at the conclusion or you may get what's called a reserve judgment. That's basically where the judge uh needs some time to think about their judgment to make sure it's water tight and it's fair. Um But the would do at the end of the trial is list it for a future date for the handing down of that judgment C ID is you go back to court on a future date and the judge will then give their judgment at that point, it's called handing down um the the judgment and again, that date is usually set after the trial, right? Let's have a look at a multiple choice practice question. Then you act on behalf of the claimant in a road traffic accident, a personal injury claim, there was an independent witness to the accident. He decided to summon his witness to attend the trial. He sent the appropriate number of summonses to court and ask the court to seal and return the summons to you for service. Which of the following best reflects the steps that need to be taken. A conduct money must be offered or sent with the summons when he's served upon the witness service must be affected at least seven days before the trial. B conduct money must be offered or sent with the summons when it is served upon the witness service must be affected at least 14 days before the trial. See conduct money must be offered or sent with the summons when he's served upon the witness service must be affected at least 21 days before the trial. The conduct money must be offered with the summons when, if he's served upon the witness service must be affected at least seven days before the trial. And e conduct money must be sent with the summons when he is served upon the witness service must be affected at least seven days before the trial. A correct answer there. So, um, distinction with, uh, the other, um, answers here. So it's important, conduct money doesn't need to just be sent. It can be offered with the summons. It's one or the other. It's no problem at all. Um And of course, seven days is the uh the relevant period, at least seven days before the trial. So B and C both have the wrong period. They said 14 and 21 days respectively. And then in relation to B and E referred to the fact that conduct money must be offered and conduct money must be sent and it can be uh one or the other in CIC.