Hello. Welcome, everybody. When I'm softer, murmured, and I'm very pleased to welcome you to today's session through data law. This is Session three, where we're looking at private Children or cases dealing with enforcement of orders and also parental alienation. Now, as you know, with this session, what we're looking out over the course of these four sessions is to give you an update on some of the different methods through which one needs to look at enforcement, off child arrangements, orders. So we're looking at matters relationship, for example, activity directions commit or switching, living with unpaid work on compensation on also looking specifically at some of the case law surrounding parental alienation on also implacable hostility. Now, today's Session three. I'm going to be taking you through somebody options available in so far as the enforcement societies concerns. So we're going to be looking at the use off the Children Onda Adoption Act. In particular, the changes brought about two Section 11 of the Children activate. Nice. I'll be taking you through that. We'll be looking at the position with warning. Those seeds will be looking at how those work where we're looking at financial compensation. I'll also be taking you through family assistance orders on cometo. I also want to discuss with you what it means to make a child available for contact. So we'll have a look at some of the case law on that on. They will look at the impact off the covered 19 pandemic on Children matters generally towards the end of the session. Okay, so I started looking at and we're looking at this as of September 2020 right? So what I want to start with then, is the changes that came about a few years ago a result of the Children on Adoption Act of 2006 now this sect, and brought about changes to the Children Act of 89. And it brought about the sexual 11 amendments so that you've got first and foremost Section 11 a off the Children Act which relates to directions requiring an individual to take part in activity in relation to the HR. Concerned on also section 11 a subsection B which relates to the activities Andi, insofar as thes activity directions are concerned, these would require at one to take into account what types of directions thes are. So what do we mean by this? Well, let's put into context. Let's say I'm acting for Father, Aunt. He's applying for enforcement. So he's telling us that he is not being given the contact with these Children as pretty child arrangements order specified. Spend time with otherwise having contact. We would then complete AH form C 79 which would enable us to bring the matter back before the court. So we paid a fee. Bring the matter back before the court and one of the options available, followed by the court is to consider. It's actually 11 8 on B, and this is where you looking at activity directions and conditions. Directions could be on intra modest Onda. Uh, the conditions could be on any final order that's made. And this could be where by the court, for example, requires mother in this situation and father, depending on the circumstances to engage in, for example, work related to separated parents information programs. What's known as a spits that some of you will know in England separated parenting information programs in Wales referred to as W T Foresee, which is working together for Children on this could take the form off for example, having to engage in parenting classes, engaging and say domestic violence perpetrated. Work on good management work, mediation, My arms mediation information assessment meetings on there for these various options may be explored with a view to then enable in accord to be satisfied that by requiring this by ordering this, it's hoped that it will enable those persons that and facilitate at the process of enabling contact to be maintained and to be followed through. Now. This is where sexually 11 hate comes into play of the Children Act, which provides that the court can make an order for compliance of so for monitoring the order on, then to report the matter back before the court, it would fall upon Kafka's to monitor that compliance in that regard. So this is where by the court can then require that monitoring to then be undertaken by an office of Kafka's order whilst releasing his officer, and they would then be put back to the court in that regard sold to be certainly some provisions, insofar as that is concerned. So you consider the benefits of that now what type of work specifically can be directed and like I say this could be programs of work classes, counseling, sometimes guidance that may assist the person and establishing, maintaining and improving the contact between the child on the person concerned. So, for example, mother, in example I've been using could then be required to engage in a period of program parenting classes, for example, to help her to understand how by her blocking the contact without any good reason impact us having on the child on on the A father and child relationship and with a view to enable her to go on, understand that on then to hopefully improved the contact between the child and the father. Also, these programs could be involved in, so faras addressing that person's violent behavior enabled him to, for example, facilitate contact in that manner. So addressing anger management work, domestic violence, perpetrator works, for example, the sessions can also provide information advice regarding a making operating arrangements for contact, including make arrangements by work mediation, as I mentioned, so that could also be featuring this okay, and of course, in deciding whether or not to make a activity direction in this regard, the court would need to take into account the welfare of the child, which would be the court paramount consideration in this respect. Okay, so that's where that comes in. Now the other provisions than is warning notes, please. So all orders for child arrangements, as from the eighth of December 2000 and eight will take the form of having a warning notice attached under Section 11 I. So the court will attach this notice, warning the person of the consequences of failing to comply with the order, which could be that's the other party may then wish to bring the matter before the court with a view to dealing with it by way of activity, directions and conditions, and also applying for enforcement by way of enforcement orders on door financial compensation, for example. So it's there for a way of warning that person that if there was a failure to comply with the terms of disorder than the other person made and wish to consider bringing this matter back before the court and the Zadi consequences of doing so So all orders for child arrangements from that data I mentioned will have warning notice attached on them. Therefore, one of the options that's available is if the matter does, then returned to court. Andi, let's say, on form C 79 on one of the ops. Other options available is to seek on order by way of an enforcement order under Section 11 J off the Children Act of 89 On. This is where if the court is satisfied beyond reasonable doubt that a person has failed to comply with each other arrangements order it. May there Macon order imposing on that person on unpaid work requirement okay on the court will not be able to make such an order if it satisfied that the person had in fact, a reasonable excuse for failing to comply with the terms of the order. So you can see the importance of that. So you can see this is effectively criminalizing this to an extent, even though you won't end up where criminal offensive course. But it's bringing in the criminal kind of tests in a way in that regard, so that the coordinate to then look at has this person failed to comply with the terms of the order that they would have to show the balance of probabilities. But candy applicant, in this case, the father did have been using kensho beyond reasonable doubt that the mother has failed to comply with the terms of the order on this, sold any honest shifts on mother to be able to show that whether or not she's got a reasonable defense for failing to comply with this and the enforcement order could take the form, therefore of community service sort of person. Could them quite do good work in the community, sometimes in the region of around six hours a week, maximum off around two hours 200 hours a year, potentially. But in practice, you find that more times than not, de order may not be made, uh, requiring that level off expectation, but nonetheless it's their Andi. Therefore, the possibility of the court ordering this is, of course, of your possibility. Then we've also got Section 11 hour of the Children Act of Compensation for financial Loss. Now, one of the drawbacks with the ordered I've just mentioned the enforcement orders I've just mentioned is the court cannot order this if it's going to conflict with that person's religious work on, say, educational commitment. So, for example, they are required to do certain work in the local community which is going to conflict with, say they work commitments, then they wouldn't ordinarily be in a position to be able to do that. Sort of asked some limitations, of course, in order in this, which could be a difficulty going forward. But then the other option like to say, is one which relates to financial compensation. Let's say let's say we've got a case where by the father has booked a trip to take his Children on a day that is due to be having contact. Let's say he's booked a trip so that his due to take his Children to, uh, say particular theme park, for example, let's say, is booked a whole town, let's say de train fare and so forth and less her. A lot of this is non refundable, So if he doesn't go, he doesn't get his money back. Is a non refundable hotel booking, for example? Then, of course, if again, uh, hey can satisfy the course that on the day in question when as pretty order who was due to have contact and to take the Children, the mother has blocked, for example, him to court, he's satisfied that the mother has been in breach unless she had a reason for excuse for failing to comply with the order they can order the mother in those circumstances, Thio be ordered to pay compensation for financial loss. I do have to say, however, that if you're for the father in this situation, you do have to tread carefully whether or not he's going to go down this route. Because wonder is, of course, a core issue feeling to bear in mind. So there's the initial court feed is obviously the lawyers cost on top. Plus, even if he does get compensation, this isn't for his loss of earnings. For example, this is for, for example, the hotel costs, for example, the costs of the travel and so forth, and he's getting back. But is this really gonna facilitate on improve the relationship between him and the mother to such an extent that she will allow him to have contact with the Children next time? So that's where you do have to really weigh this up and ask yourself whether it's actually the right way forward, and I'm not saying that one should not apply for this, but you do have to try and ask yourself what is the ultimate aim we're trying to achieve in in going down this route? But at least the option is the event. In some cases, of course, it may be a very necessary option that is taken up by him. Okay, nine tens of the enforcement and the court may not make the order if the satisfied that the individual is in breach had a reasonable excuse offend to comply with the order. Okay. So again, this is in relation to a financial compensation. The honest does rely upon the mother and example we've been using to show them that she had a reasonable excuse for failing to comply with the terms off the order in in deciding the amount of compensation the court must take into account the mother's financial circumstances. Okay, so she may not even have the means to pay. And that could be another issue in itself. Or it may actually cause more harm than good in terms of financial, which in turn can an impact on. Of course, the Children also so therefore one has to look at that as well on the court will not be able to make order for conversation More than what the losses that Thea applicant has us sustaining the circumstances. So therefore one has to look at that as well. So you can see a number of issues which have to be weighed up, right? What other options are there? Well, as I mentioned in 13 earlier sessions, there is also the opportunity of having a family assistance or that it is called by Section 16 off the Children activation, and it is a very good orders. I would suggest these are very good. This could be either be made in the on right or attached to one of the other orders that are made. So this provides that were, according any family proceedings has the power to make a Section eight order. It can also make a family assistance order. Okay, so it might be that if the court does make a chart arrangements order specified, spend time with it. Otherwise, up contact with. Alongside that, it may also make a family assistance order under Section 16 on what this requires is a person such as maybe a social worker to advise the system, befriend on the person in can he repair into child in any other person. William Child lives. So this could be where, if, say, for example, local authority consents, It could then enable the social worker to assist and advise in that situation. Sometimes it could be if the means available to even assist in the handover. For example, it could be assisting in, so far as contacting each other. Parties concerned to promote, to emphasize the need for allowing the charity have contact in the circumstances. Now these orders, if they made could be, could be such that you have the willingness and the consent on it and social work of the local authority. Plus, it could be other public bodies, such as Kafka's who, uh, part and parcel of the 16 Section 16 order three, or it could be made for up to 12 months on, also under section 16 a off the Children up to cork and even direct a risk assessment. We done by, for example, the social according God in this catheters offices, if appropriate in the circumstances, so you can see the benefit of these on the names. Persons, as you can see, will be a parent and a child. In these circumstances, well as any other person in charge of living with or drill drill in place. So they are very good disorders and can be used in those high conflict cases in particular way, one is trying to ensure that contact is maintained. So what other options are there were in the previous session? You remember that we did talk about the possibility of committal. So we looked at the case of Ri M, for example, the 2005 case on also the case of Beav the S the 2009 case, for example, on you can see that committed is not necessarily going to be the first port of call on. But it may well not be something that will be applied for it all. But if one is apply for cometo to make sure you're familiar with part 37 off the family procedures, this change, then the procedure which we have used to have previously in relation to committed applications. So this is part of its seven other family procedure rules of 2014 okay. And this then applies where person is seeking to apply for committal, for breach of an order or in undertaking and family proceedings. So this isn't limited to just Children case. Of course, this is across the board in relation to other matters as well, which relate to both uh, maybe Children. But it could also be saved matters related to finances, also or otherwise. Andi essentially, for this if let's say I was acting for father and he does seek cometo, for example. So he's seeking an order that say the mother is committed to prison under the contempt of Court Act of 18 1 for breach of the Chart Arrangements Order specifying Living with then first and foremost, What we've got to do is make sure there is a peanut notice attached to the order, and I'll come back to that shortly when we look at another case on that. But let's assume the pin also was attached, which warned mother of the consequence of failing to comply with the terms of the order. If we do, then go for committal that the application is made using what's called a Part 18 procedure in the proceedings in which the judgment told the order was made or the undertaking was given. So it's percent to 37.10. The application notice must set out and for the grounds on which the committal application is made. So it must set out and for the grounds. And it must set out and identify numerically and separately the each of the alleged incident. So, as you can see here must identify separately and numerically each of the elect acts of contempt, if not together with a date off each of the alleged hacks. So very, very important that so what I would suggest you do is when you are filling in New York a mental application using the part 18 procedure you set out not in numbered paragraphs, uh, each of the alleged at times when the order may have been breached. So you need to set up first on form of what the terms of the order were on. Then he set out separately, numerically in chronological order, each other times it was breached on how on then, what you need to do is you need to support that within affidavits, a sworn statement affirmed containing all the evidence. So that's where of course, you can expand on that on then. That is far that court. You then need to get a hearing. The hearing would ordinarily be in public Unless the court decides to have it heard in private. You need to arrange personal service off this application unless the court directs an alternative methods of service. Okay, So very, very important to get that done. Also like to say for the hearing itself, it would have to be in public. A Leicester court directs. Otherwise it would have to be in open court, as we used to call it. Now, this is where you've got the case off ch on D C t this 2018 decision. Okay, this is one whereby, uh, there was a chart arrangements order specifying spending as time would otherwise have in contact in favor of the grand parents on Did they sought contact? Mother, sadly, did not make chart available. Suppose it any time with or otherwise having contact on. Therefore, they applied for enforcement. Now they don't complete the right. Formed, in fact, completely see 79. But they were seeking committal off under failure on the part of the mother to comply with the terms of the order. But they were seeking cometo on. I relied upon the warning notice the warning notice, which, as I mentioned earlier, is attached to orders. But it warns him about the consequence of failing to comply with the order, whereby the consequences could then be applications for, uh, the programs that work that I mentioned. The spit chips, the unpaid work orders, the enforcement orders on the financial conversation. So it's those elements. The warning notice doesn't entitle court then to go on and deal with any committed application because it's not the same as a peanut notice. And that was the mistake that was made here. Both the applicants and indeed also the court didn't pick up on that era, so the warning notice seemed to have been mixed up with the penal notice on that morning. Notice, as you say, is very different was a peanut notice is different to a warning notice. All charred arrangements orders that's from the eighth of December 2000 and eight will have a warning notice attached to him. But not all child arrangements orders will have a peanut notice attached to them on Lee. Those where it's necessary only those where one applies for it, for example, awaits necessary where, for example, there's a risk risk or consideration, or perhaps need to consider, maybe committed in the future. Okay, so that was the problem in this case. And therefore, what the court had to do is because there was a mixed up off the penal notice with the warning notice. The actual application committee was defective, and they thought that couldn't be proceeded with on the facts, and therefore one had to. Therefore, we re look at that and we consider the circumstances so you can see that importance of making sure that the two are dealt with appropriately. That brings me on to the issues surrounding making a child available for context. Now, as I mentioned early in the first session because of the president's guidance on standard Children and other orders, you'll notice that the the format of the orders is now somewhat different. What it used to be previously. So in the last couple of years, you noticed that the standard order specifically provided for the fact that the child is such that the mother, for example, she is the resident parent, is not to necessarily make the child available, but to ensure that the child is available for contact or spend time with otherwise having contact with the other person. Now, this is where this case of L W. Is very important. This case off the court appealing the year 2010. This case involved a 10 year old. A mother did apply for enforcement as well as in a compensation order for financial loss. She was safe station that the child lived with father at 10 year old. She was she had the benefit of a child arrangement, spending time with order, she said. Dr to Father's home to have contact, only to find that every time she turned up, she said the child was not available because she was saying that the father had got the child ready. But the child, who was 10 year old, was stating that idiot which to go. So she claimed enforcement order to say that the father had beyond reasonable doubt, breached the terms of the order and she also sought compensation in the form off seeking financial loss for her petrol costs off driving on, attending to contact, only to find that she was not bringing a child back with her. So with that in mind, she saw those orders and those orders at first instance were in fact, granted. Now, Kafka said, that they had reported that the child did not wish to see the mother. So this was a case where the CAFTA's officer did speak to a child. Onda child was stating that didn't wish to have any relationship with the mother deal. Wish to speak to Mother? So what was really the courts for you on what is a reasonable excuse for the purposes off not making a child available for contact? Because that's the first question that needs to be looked at when one is looking at breach. Has the mother beyond reasonable doubt breached the terms of the ordering? And what's the reasonable excuse? If any and of course, said there's no breach If, for example, a parent who is prevented from taking a charge for contact is prevented from going on, always delayed by unforeseen transported, weather problems such as and you might remember. And this time in 2010, there was the concerns that airlines had over the volcanic ash you might remember because of that, certainly some flights were being delayed as a result of that, so if, for example, she is prevented because off matters which were beyond her control really so unforeseen travel or whether problems then there would be no Bridget. All but reasonable excuse would be where she has failed to comply with the terms of the order. But she's got reason to excuse on a balance of probabilities. And this is where even though the person could have taken the child and was able to do so, she would argue that she has a good reason for not doing so suddenly. Such as, for example, if the child suddenly fell ill on the defendant. Taking a chart toe doctor was such that that's what she did, as opposed to She was opposed to contact, so that's a reason execution could provide in those circumstances. Okay, So the court gave examples off both in the circumstances on Dhere, the trial judge had the court appeal said, overstated what the contact orders required father to do. The father was stating that he was making a child available. He was getting charged ready. But as Kafka said, the chart simply didn't wish to go on. The trial judge had overstated what the contact orders required father to do and hunt wrongly rejected impossibility of performance is being a defense false obligation. Under the orders were these toe allow contact and to make the child available for contact toe. Allow us to concede or to permit, so to allow the child to go to say you are allowed to go. I'm not going to stop you. I'm permitting it to go on to make available was to put the ones disposal within one's reach. So therefore, to make the arrangements for the chart to go, that was the father's obligation normal on no less the fact the child was allowed to go. The fact that the father was permitting the child to go on the child was stating that they wish to go. That was not a breach off on the part of the father. Therefore, he was not friend to comply with the order beyond reasonable doubt. So they found that basis the orders that were made were had to be set aside so concealing importance of this case and therefore how it brings this into context. Having said that a few years later, in 2015, there was a case of hey HB contact this 2015 decision on this case involved two older Children there were aged 14 and 16. Now their father sought direct contact, the Children living with their mother on the law court tragedy. The court at first instance, refused direct contact, but only allowed father to have indirect. He was to be provided with school reports and allowed to visit the Children's schools at certain times. On order was also made in 1914 until Children under 18 saw that father was not permitted to make any further application in relation to Children unless he sought leave first. And this was certainly for the next couple of years at least, or certainly four years. In the case of a 14 year old. Now, the father appealed, which both the mother and the Children opposed on. This was a case where by the court took the opportunity to really remind all of a sudden, of course, the parties in these proceedings about parental responsibility and about duties and responsibilities. And you can see here Paragraph 71 of the judgment. His lordship did say his eye. He's on a he had to say, Mr Justice, uh, Lord Justice Mumbi. So I'm just reminding myself who handed down the leading judgment here, but also, at the first instance case you had his other judge, Marble Qc, who also commented on this. And, um, one of the things that was highlighted here is the court was saying that too often you got parents who focus on their rights. WAAS are overlooking and minimizing perhaps their duties and responsibilities. Okay, and you can see that gorgeous is, McFarlane was quoted in the case of 2012. Well, it's not so much about parental rights, but it's about parental responsibility. Okay, so duty on one parent to ensure that the rights of the other are respected and vice versa. Unlinked With that, we then had the then president Family Division, Sir James Mumby, where by his Lordship, specifically a paragraph 76 that emphasized, uh, the concept of ensuring that contact does take place. So this is where you can see a paragraph 76. His lordship said that what? What can one reasonably demand not merely as a matter of law, but also has a fundamentally as a matter of parental obligation and his lordship said day, if it needs to, whether by argument, persuasion, cajole, mint blandishments, inducements sanctions, such as in granting call from confiscation of mobile phones and computers, and all the electronic equipment or threats falling short of brute force or a combination of all these factors. This is what's required to ensure the apparent does the level best to ensure compliance and example his lordship gave was a rebellious teenager who is foolishly, as the judge said, refusing to do GCSE. S o l levels are dropping out into a life off drug fueled crime. Why should we expect anything less of apparent? His rebellious teenager child is refusing to see their father so you can see very, very powerful points that were on had been made by the judge. In this particular case, you consider thinking behind that right? That then brings me on to where we at the moment with the coronavirus crisis. And of course, since early March 2020 the world has changed in a way that I don't think any of us will forget really going forward, Aunt. Of course, we're still very much in the middle of the pandemic has off the third week of September 2020 on. Do you remember that back in early March, there was a lot of anxiety amongst, uh, parents in this context in relation to Children matters over what was to happen in relation to Children who were, uh, certainly dividing their time between different households was that permitted was in accordance with the state Home rules. This is where the president of Family Division, Sir Andrew McFarlane, handed down some very significant and relevant guidance at that time. So this was the coronavirus Christ. His guidance on compliance with family, a court chart arrangements. Orders on this was handed down on the 24th of March 2020. So what his Lordship said was that during the coronavirus crisis, some parents whose Children were the subject of charred arrangements orders made by the family court had understandably been concerned about the ability to meet the requirements off these court orders. So, of course, understandably, people worried. So if you've got an order in place, child arrangements, order with a child, has one week with Mom and then one week with Dad, was that goingto happen? Could the child move from one house or to another? And that's what the anxiety that was there, what the president issued this statement to offer some advice, but at the same time, it was advice in the general term form on His Lordship's had. That parental responsibility rests very much with the parents, so it rests with the parents they have parental responsibility on. Therefore, with that in mind, uh, when you got a child is subject to a child arrangements order made by the court on the parents need to exercise parental responsibility safely and carefully on. Of course, we're in the middle of a public health crisis on an unprecedented scale, as his lordship set. The expectation is that parents need to work together to sensibly make arrangements for their Children On. With that in mind, His Lordship said that at that stage, of course, we must abide by the current government staying at home rooms at that stage in at that stage, you remember back in early March, the position was that the stay at home rules were very much strict. You remember the lock down whereby one could only leave the home in four situations. Andi. Short of that, it was not possible. But then, where did that leave? For example, if the child was ordinarily prior to this dividing their time between, say, the mother and the father. Well, this is where the state home rules were issued on the 23rd of March, with doubt specifically with child arrangements and if the government had issued guidance. Would said that where parents do not live in the same household, Children under 18 can in fact be moved between their parents homes on. The president said that this therefore established an exception to the mandate trees their home requirement. It doesn't mean have that chilled Children must be moved within their homes, but it enables that to be done as long as it's safe to do so on a decision. Whether a parent child is to be moved is for the parents to make. After a sensible assessment of the circumstances, you gotta look at the risk you could look at present health. You gotta look at risk of infection on obviously looking at other individual members in the household. So this is where the president has been saying that parents need to communicate with each other the best ways to communicate, and to think about trying to iron out these anxieties. That would be a practical way on to iron out and reach a sensible decision between them on. Even if some parents think it's safer contact place, it may be reasonable for the other parent to say that they're worried about it. So with that in mind, President did say that where parents acting an agreement exercise their parental responsibility to conclude that the arrangements in the order should be temporarily varied. Then they were free to do so, but they need to keep a careful record of it, whether it's email, not otherwise. So if, for example, the order provided that the child was to spend one week with Mother one week with Father, but then following discussions, consultation between the two of them, it was felt that its benefits temporary, varied saw that the child continues to live with mother, for example, dune foreseeable future, then that should be carefully recorded. But of course, it may be the case that in that situation, London has to look at alternative arrangements in those circumstances. Andi, If, of course, it's felt that the there is no agreement then, of course, in that situation, if the one parent does decide to very D arrangements temporarily unilaterally, they must then if and when the matter is returned to court or it's brought before the court, there must then be in a position to justify why they decided to do that voluntarily on unilaterally. So what about alternate arrangements? So this card is also emphasizes how important it is for the parties to look at alternative arrangements. So whether there is a temporary variation of agreement other by way off agreement or by unilateral variation by one arm or the parents, then a child, then they for the child does not get to spend time with the other parent. Then the court will expect, at the very least, alternate arrangements to be put into place to maintain that relationship between the child and the parent. So, of course, if that means looking at dealing with matters remotely by FaceTime, WhatsApp, Zoom or the video connection. But the president did emphasize that the key message has to be that with coronavirus restrictions, cause the letter of the court or to be very dispirit of the order should be delivered by making safe alternative arrangements. And I think that's the advice that many of us do need to be given to our respective clients going forward very, very important. And if there is no agreement, as I say, then the president did say that where the parents couldn't agree. Then if a parent feels that they need Thio unilaterally, verily agreement, then so be it. But there must then be able to justify that if they are questioned at a later date. And many of us have had cases which have come back on whereby the parent has been asked to justify why they decided to vary The agreement has date did right now because of this, Where are we at the moment? So here we are, looking at the position with going forward Now. As off yesterday 22nd of September, many of you will know that the prime minister in England, both Johnson, he announced that they are further restrictions that are going to be imposed us from the 24th off. September Thursday, 24th of September. There's different restrictions coming into effect in England, as in Scotland, Ireland and Wales. Andi. Because of that, the health protection coronavirus restrictions need to be keep amended. Thio, bring that into place. So we did have not too long ago the health profession. Coronavirus restrictions number to England Regs came in on the third of July. We had the number four version of these, which came in under 14th of September, more back gatherings on. Then There are changes that are due to come in from the 24th of September 2020 so that many of you know, for example, in England three expectation is for, uh, persons to certainly, if it's safe to do so, to continue to work from home, certainly until at least it's suggested next six months. Uh, there's limitations related to social gatherings, for example, maximum of six people in in gatherings in that regard and also, uh, the limitations insofar as for example, uh, clubs and pubs and other restaurants and so forth being expected to close knowledge and 10 PM in England. So you've got the restrictions. But in so far as these, uh, the guidance that the president gave back in March 2020 that remains, as far as I can tell and therefore, of course, in those situations a za long as it's safe to do so. And that's the important thing that the president has given. And of course, that guidance very much still remains in place now because of that. There's, of course, been, uh, concerns about this, not just on the private law side, but also on the public law side. So therefore, this case of D. S, for example, which is a public law case, was also looked at by the court appeal on the Fourth of August this year on this was a care case whereby the mother's application was for contact to her three Children, who was subject to an interim care order. There were age one and a half, 37 on It's a case we had a case manager here in the mother said that as matters has progressed, the older charge was returned to school on the local authority. We have been asked to really re established face to face contact in light off the government guidance, which was that there was now small groups who could form households to meeting opens bases with social distancing. So the mother was station that this should be permitted to enable her to have face to face contact with her Children. In that regard on his Lordship said that the key point is that the contact your agent should be assessed on a case by case basis on that. When it comes to applications for contact with Children and care, one has to look obviously the practical difficulties. But you do need to make sure that the spirit of the order is maintained, so that's very much where it comes from. Just for the final part of that, I wanted to also mention the case of Re are about switching residents as you'll appreciate. Sometimes there will be cases where one of the options will be whereby the court may be invited by the party. Consent is which residents as a method of enforcement, and this was such a case on the 29th of January last year we are on. This was a case where, by the various findings have been made against Mother I've been found, actually had encouraged a child to make allegations against the father to the police, which were untrue. It's been found that the mother had coached and primed a child to make allegations against the father, which were untrue. Mother had lied about the father for some years. Mother had bean implacably hostile towards the father on should alienated a child so you can see a number of key issues which were being raised here on this is where the trial judge also decided there from the fact that because the child was therefore showing a significant unwillingness to have anything more than in direct contact with a child the first instance, judge decided then to only permit contact to be indirect. But as we on appeal, um, this was this was reversed. The evidence of a clinical psychologist was that further efforts should have been made to reinstate contact in those circumstances. The evidence was that this child was suffered significant harm if the relationship with the father was lost, which is what was happening here. Given the level of any nation given the level of implacable ity, even though the contact was indirect, even that may to go after a while of the court had placed in sufficient weight on a medium to long term harm that the child may suffer as a compared to the short term harm by the continuation of the preceding. So the fact that the prisons would continue the court relied too heavily on that as opposed to the long term effect off this child, effectively seizing to them. Have a relationship with the child's father on the court did say, bearing in mind cases such as Reem this 2017 case that contact between a parent and the child is a fundamental element of family life. Most in most cases, it's interesting. Charges on contact should only be terminated. Only the most exceptional cases where they're called reasons. And in fact, there is a positive duty upon the state on they found a judge on the facts of this case to take measures to maintain and reconstitute a relationship. So here there was a need for balancing exercise. Yes, if you keep the matter in court and the elongated proceedings that can cause harm because of the delay on the fact that the matter remains in court. But then you gotta weigh that up against the consequences off season the proceedings now and therefore having a potential detrimental effect on that relationship between the child and the parent. So therefore, as a psychologist emphasized on a given opinion on the end of the road here had not been reached, Mawr could and should have been done to certainly work towards facilitating that face to face contact between the child and the father. So therefore on appeal, the father's application was successful, right? So that brings this session to an end. So you can see I've covered a number of things that they particularly looking at the changes brought about by the Children and Adoption Act on. Also, we looked at, for example, warning Nazis. We looked up in the Nazis. Committal, unpaid work, financial conversation. We've looked at the covered 19 situation and obviously dio the situation that we've got at the moment with child arrangements, orders going forward in the final session. And I'm going to be developing some of the case law further with you, where we'll be looking at some order case law, particularly on parental alienation. Can I thank you very much indeed. On. I'll speak to you soon. Thank you very much. Bye. For now